Report By Priscilla, Canada — Hello great people, this week is a special edition and I am so blessed and deeply humbled that these anointed men and woman of God, celebrities and distinguished persons created a space for me in their busy schedules to answer my call.

My choice of guests is a mix of great people attached or linked to gospel music. I’m grateful for the bold and valid responses I got from them even though I got some declines from other guests that felt the topic was too sensitive! But..its okay.

Moving on..The objective of the discussion is to clear the issue on: The place of the Musician in the church; Why some are perceived to be rebellious to their Home Church/Pastors; and if Musicians should be Paid! I do not discredit any church or any individual for doing otherwise.


I have Mike Abdul, Pastor Francis Madojemu, Papa Deolu, Blessing Alli, Anonymous Pastor and Wole Oni. Please enjoy.

MIKE ABDUL

Mike Abdul
Mike Abdul

He is one of the four powerful voices of the famous and respected Midnight Crew {MNC} known for the widespread song IGWE! Songwriter and producer, the pioneer of the record label- Spaghetti Records.

His music has taken him round the globe and he has made several appearances on videos, featured in singles, and conducted different music workshops.

His latest request for fans to submit their twitter handle to him is quite cool and humbling if you ask me. Here is what he told me…

HIS VIEWS:

Thank you for having me.

The place of the musician in church is vital and needs no ‘wracking’ the head over as worship is to-a-large-extent music driven.

Good music is directly proportional to good congregational worship experience.

Music is the musician’s trade; he definitely should be paid when he renders his service except he chooses to render his service for free.

Whether the musician should be paid is not something to think about, why would anyone not pay for service rendered? Free service is the choice of the labourer, anyone who is forced to render free service is under slavery in the hands of a wicked person or system!

When a musician requires a change of system from the hands of a master who refuses to pay, that musician will simply be perceived as rebellious. SHIKENA!

My reaction: Funny, blunt and straight to the point!

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PASTOR FRANCIS MADOJEMU

Pastor Francis Madojemu
Pastor Francis Madojemu

Pastor Francis E Madojemu is a highly respected Teacher; an anointed Preacher, Coordinator of The Bridge Network Ibadan; an Architect,businessman, consultant for ReCLAIM Culture as well as the CEO of NuSTREAMS Concepts.

He is a multi-gifted motivational speaker as well as an educator whose principles on Success and Wealth fly in the face of conventional wisdom. He was the Pastor of The Redeemed Christian Church of God, Jesus Embassy Ibadan till September 2006.

He is the author of Roadmap and Rich Pastor Poor Pastor. A Spiritual father to many music artistes of the gospel. I’ve known him for so long and I love listening to his teachings. An approachable father who responded to my call even with his tight schedule.

If you’ve ever been to Ibadan and did not visit The Bridge Network trust me, you were and still wrong! Here are his thoughts.

HIS THOUGHTS

About the issue of musicians, I think we may be taking a simplistic approach to the challenges they face as well as the Churches they serve in. We must realize that one of the greatest challenges we face is poverty and it drives most people into places they don’t want to go normally line corruption, stealing even armed robbery.

Musicians need to be looked after it’s their profession, the question is how?

By limiting ourselves to simply putting a burden on Churches for payment and as you know many churches struggle even to balance their budget we have shut down other doors.

If you have ever read Robert Kiyosaki’s Rich Dad, a Poor Dad where he tells the story as a boy and was given a job in a store by his ‘Rich Dad’ together with Rich Dads actual son. It’s was only when he agreed to work for free did he see possibilities.

“..A job is only a short-term solution to a long-term problem. Most people have only one problem in mind, and its short term. It’s the bills at the end of the month, the Tar Baby. Money now runs their lives. Or should I say the fear and ignorance about money.

So they do as their parents did, get up every day and go work for money. Not having the time to say, is there another way?’ Their emotions now control their thinking, not their heads.”

Keep using your brain, work for free, and soon your mind will show you ways of making money far beyond what I could ever pay you. You will see things that other people never see.

Opportunities right in front of their noses. Most people never see these opportunities because they’re looking for money and security, so that’s all they get. The moment you see one opportunity, I you will see them for the rest of your life.”

Back to the Musicians now, there are other ways to make money for example teaching people to play instruments for a fee, producing their own music for sale, becoming sales representatives for the areas if their specialization or the equipment they love for a Commission…… I could go on and on and I am sure if we put our minds to it other opportunities would become feasible.

However the churches where these musicians are serving should support and create platforms that empower them. Transportation costs and other considerations can be looked at but again I must say these are just simplistic at the moment.

I think both sides need to listen to each other’s needs and aspirations and work together to bridge the gap and find a solution.

It’s a problem that can be solved when we look at thinks from a win-win scenario instead of us against them approach as we are in thus together.

[My reaction: Hummmn! I have to read it again. Too deep.]

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BLESSING ALLI:

Blessing Alli
Blessing Alli

An anointed powerful vocalist and analyst who is rapidly spreading her wings in different states of the USA and frequents Nigeria often to minister. She sings with a passion and a mission. The devil runs when she mounts any stage! {Check YouTube} Trust me on that one also a member of FECA NETWORK. A very close ally of mine and her views are always respected and valued. Currently working on her EP album

HER VIEWS

The Musicians in church are divided into two major categories.

The Singers and The Psalmists or Instrumentalists, However both categories operate under the Ministry of the tribe of “Levi” otherwise known as The Carriers of God’s presence. God specifically told Moses to separate a tribe that will minister unto Him.

This is where the Musician’s role comes into place, Music is a vital act of worship that the scripture always points out, so the Place of the Musician is to understand the mind of God and communicate it accurately through Music.

The Musician through the direction of the Spirit ushers the people into God’s presence by Ministering unto God Skillfully and Spiritually.

In a typical Nigerian setting, if a musician comes late or does not stay in the choir post during sermon, the person is perceived as being rebellious, in the western world there are other points that can be noted such as appearance, background check, violent nature etc. can make musicians be perceived as rebellious.

First of all, we need to define “Rebellion” in this area before we can tackle why “Musicians” are usually the only targets for rebellion rather than an usher that chews gum during service or a sanctuary keeper that sleeps during the sermon.

On Musicians getting paid, Hummmm! This is usually the sensitive area. Ok, there is the Act and Art of Music especially in Ministry. Some Musicians are into this field full time of which they get their source of living from, while others do it for the love and passion they have while getting paid from outside jobs.

So should Musicians be paid? Absolutely Yes, but it is still dependent on what category they fall in “Full Time or For the Passion…

If you read Numbers 8: 1-23 You will get more insights to this view that the Music Ministers or Levites were instructed by God not to work but fully render service/ Minister to God in the Tent, (I am not saying the music ministers that are working should quit their Jobs unless you are led directly by God)

Another thing we need to consider is we are modelling the “Then” dispensation with “Now” dispensation of which a lot will have to be considered before giving a final response?

Because time will not necessary permit me to shed more light on the Scripture, I suggest you read the book of Numbers for more understanding. God bless.

[My reaction: She always leaves me searching the scriptures.]

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ANONYMOUS PASTOR

He is a respected, popular preacher and a profound teacher in one of the popular Churches in Lagos Nigeria; He breaks down the scriptures that even a child understands!

I was simply touched and humbled when he called me on the phone to say his views on this issue. Pastor, I know you are reading this even though you opted to be anonymous. I want you to know that I have not gotten over your call.

HIS VIEWS
I will rather call them Music ministers who I see as adding to the corporate anointing of the Church. Being remunerated should be a function of services rendered. I don’t think it’s right for me to say “don’t go out for a Gig” when am not compensating them.

They are perceived to be rebellious when they minister in church as well as go out to perform. They are humans with families and responsibilities as well as bills.

Though some churches are not financially able, they should always appreciate, encourage, and motivate ministers for them to be kept in Church.

[My reaction: Very true sir.‎ Hitting the Nail!]

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ADEOLU OGUNNUBI (PAPA DEE}

Papa Dee
Papa Dee

Adeolu Ogunnubi fondly called ‘Papa Dee’ is the President of PARACLETOS MINISTERIES INTL (PMI) An HELPs Ministry’ positioned to preserve the NEXT Generation of young people for marital fidelity, leadership capacity development & Community development initiatives…the organization powers the Heart-to-Heart (H2H) monthly forum since 1998.

He also served as the National president of FECA Nigeria as well as the National Coordinator of the FECA FORUM OF SENIOR MEMBERS (Fecafosm) Nigeria. He is called of God to preserve the next generation of leaders.

He is presently a Director in Digits Sounds Solution Ltd, ANTLERKORP NIG LTD and the MD of PAO2 Global services. Happily married to Oreofe and blessed with kids. A mentor and a role model to many. He is an Icon I respect a lot whose home is always opened to all.

Whenever he sets his mind on something he makes sure he sees it to the end, a phenomenal and blunt speaker who cares a lot. He spanks and embraces! (Laughs)‎ I love hearing his views on virtually every topic. Here is why..

HIS VIEWS

Great!
Music is a very powerful tool all throughout the ages in impacting society…
Music enhances our worship life so profoundly that it cannot be over looked…
Musicians or in this case Gospel musicians are therefore extremely very important in the growth of any local assembly…
Musicians help to make God’s praise more glorious…Ps 66:2

Now because they see themselves as very important and because a lot of skills, grace, charisma and talents are involved in the making of a good musician…it is easy to allow that get into one’s head because of the fame, glamor and recognition that comes with it…

Most gospel ministers who cannot handle this well…eventually get rebellious whenever they perceive their worth isn’t being appreciated in their churches…that’s why we see a lot of them moving and changing churches often.. Looking for a church that will pay them more or appreciate them better…This in my opinion is one of the reasons they are perceived as being rebellious to authorities in Churches.

On the issue of paying musicians…. I think it should be primarily based on the financial capacity of the local Assembly…Gospel musicians who are on full time…obviously would need to be paid enough to make them at least comfortable…

But I disagree with Gospel musicians who insist and are motivated by financial rewards alone, before they serve God with their God given talent…

The first motivation is in using your skill to serve God and bring glory to His name and whatever financial incentives that come naturally with it should be accepted with thanksgiving without complaining or grumbling…

Money must never be our motivation as believers…Pleasing Him should be the first thing on our mind…and Gospel musicians are no exceptions…

Finally… Churches should also continue to appreciate their musicians and encourage them to continue the good work by making them as comfortable as they can afford.

[My reaction: Word! Might be hard but very true.]

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WOLE ONI

Wole Oni
Wole Oni

An accomplished producer, hit maker. Music lover, synthesizer, programmer, songwriter, arranger and sound engineer. The Multi-International Award Winning Music Producer/Jazz Pianist and CEO/Founder Instinct Productions/WOMP who was humble enough to reply all my incessant BB PINGS {laughs} despite his busy schedule, He was able to share his thoughts on this issue. {Thanks big bro.}

HIS THOUGHTS

First, I will start by explaining who a church musician is: A church musician is a person who sustain the church by providing musical services, especially as a performer of music who plays an instrument.

Also a musician (or instrumentalist) is a person who is talented in making music or performing music creatively, or one who composes, conducts, or performs music.

Musician can specialize in any musical style, and some musicians play in a variety of different styles. Examples of a musician’s possible skills include performing, conducting, singing, composing, arranging and the orchestration of music.

Musicians act as a carrier for a particular message or suggestion.

As I meet and talk with church musicians from all backgrounds, our conversations inevitably turn to some of the difficulties of working in the church. And we usually agree that the root of those problems is less of a musical one than one that is spiritual.

I have tried to zero in on what the spiritual difficulties and challenges are for musicians who work in the church.

The church musician must first understand that our work is also a form of worship.

Secondly, we should develop the mental discipline to concentrate on our job per time, and listen to the sermon during service.

Our major role is to set the tone for an atmosphere of Praise and Worship in God’s presence each time which is probably one of the most spiritually challenging jobs anyone can have.

· Church musicians should be appreciated or encouraged which boils down to being paid or not. However they should not be dependent on the church for survival. They should be creative, versatile and diverse in many ways that money can flow to them.

· Being over-ambitious when you feel you can attain a height without passing through normal procedures can brew up rebellion.

· When there is a mutual agreement and balance between the church musicians and the church itself regarding the values and their views being respected in contributing to the value of the church progress there won’t be any cause for rebellion.

Being Paid is relative and should be an individual’s decision, if your spiritual life is strong and your faith in God is such that you absolutely depend on His sustenance then being paid in a church should be a personal decision.

[My reaction:‎ Point taken. ]

Thanks to all my special guests for clearing the air and for honoring my call. God bless you.

To my readers, I hope you’ve learnt something today. Do watch out for another edition on Thursday – The story of a talented music artist that was abused and………… Stay tuned to Praiseworld radio.

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Priscilla
@PriscillaPWR

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21 COMMENTS

  1. In this interview, I notice a trend of preachers saying musicians need not be paid and Musicians saying there should be some remuneration for some type of musicians. I am a singer and I do not look forward to being paid. Just let the preachers know, that u cannot have the amount of attention u demand from musicians if you don’t take care of their bills. Its unfair for a church to expect so much of the time I should spend making a living for my family. Its however disrespectful for that same church to call me rebellious because I stayed back at work instead of attending mid-week services. I once asked a friend: how come a 4yr experienced pastors now boss around a 10yr experienced church musician. Are word ministers more honourable than music ministers? Preachers stay away in their hotel rooms/convenience till worship is over and they are not considered rebellious or suspended. A musician is absent from sermon and u are called rebellious or suspended. A musician friend of mine was being persecuted in his church for taking up a job that only gives him time to attend sunday services. A labourer is worthy of his wage. If a pastor is being grated remuneration…call it honourarium or anything, a music minister spends more time and energy trying to build uniformity with others in the choir… They probably deserve same if not more.

  2. I am a gospel artiste and first I will never expect my home church to pay bcos I can’t pay them for the platform they gave me to learn. I think a lot of churches are inconsiderate they invite musicians for programs and when these musicians get there,they treat them anyhow! now my question is if they feel musicians are not important enough to have good arrangements made for them why invite them? I know this gospel artiste who once fueled his car to another state for a meeting and he also had to paid for his own hotel bills too and at the end the church only said Bless u! I believe it all boils down to value,this secular folks value their empty musicians so much but we the church don’t value what our musicians carry. As for the rebelion of gospel artiste I think we believe since they have good voices and can minister well then automatically they are matured spiritually but no they still need to be taught. If u are a pastor and you have musicians under then sir take time to fellowship with them one to one and help them grow!

  3. Well,like wole oni and pastor Francis said, musicians should not depend solely on the church, God is the source of everything and he can take care of u.you have to develop ur faith in him. You must also study ur field, there lots of ways of making money… I also feel that pastors and churches need to have a vision n proper plan for their musicians. They also need to be mentored n taught to develop other aspects of their lives..

  4. In as much as the church is not a profit making organization, offerings, tithes & other donations are needed to pay the bills Incurred by the church & keep it running. So is artiste fee (or whatever you choose to call it) important to help the singer make & promote new music & pay their tithe & other bills…. Pastors get honorarium after preaching, why can’t a music minister get that too?

  5. @J the right word for ministers that go out to sing or preach is known as ‘Honorarium’ which can come in any form- money or gifts.. some artistes have a standard fee they charge which cannot be negotiated except they want to negotiate based on the relationship.
    Some call it fee, some call it honorarium and some artistes are paid as well as given gifts. Thanks, hope I answered your question.

  6. Beloved, There’s a biblical standard for everything we do particularly in Church. A Music Minister (not artiste) who ministers (not perform) in the name of the Lord & by the grace of God wont have any problem with being Paid or Not.
    In Num18:24 the levites are entitled to the tithe of Israel, which means the Pastor (church) is OBLIGATED to the welfare of Music minister but the Music Minister does not have the RIGHT to demand for a Pay. Unfortunately, believers have imbibe the principles of the world, that’s why we find this contention.
    In the Neh.13:5, when Eliashib relegated the music ministers & negate their benefit, God use Nehemiah to correct the wrong. Serve God & he will take care of ur needs+want. Matt.6:33-34. Selah!!!

  7. That deep sense of satisfaction and fulfilment u get knowing that u have the privilege of being used by God, and that ur ministry is positively affecting and impacting lives can never be compared to whatever a church assembly pays or does not pay u for the service u render. However, churches should never take Music ministers for granted. That seems to be the case most times. The truth is churches take people for granted a lot, all in God’s name. A labourer is worthy of his pay. There’s a very thin line between business and ministry, but it must be drawn per time.

  8. To me i don’t think there is anybody that can pay you for the service rendered to God if not God Himself.
    If your mind is fixed on fee then you will get fee but if you mind is fixed on God,then get ready for His Almighty reward attached to faithful service.
    Believe me,there are ministers who don’t charge but has been so bless
    I don’t mean they should not be encouraged,frankly speaking they need a very large encouragement.
    I listen to pastor Ben Akabueze in an interview with dove tv saying how Nathaniel got a call to change the lyrics of his song to seculer but he refuse because of the encouragement from his local assembly.
    In conclusion i like to say,let the church play her part and most important let the minister(artist)play his part faithfully as we all have account to give.
    I mean to say,let nobody drive you from grace

  9. It’s unfortunate that most musicians don’t even know their value when it comes to the worship and service of God. This is very understandable as many church musicians actually learn in churches and they learnt while being fed by their parents and never really thought of having a family to feed someday.
    The church has taken advantage of it to use and milk these church musicians but unfortunately for most pastors, God made music an integral part of worship. In fact music is the major part of worship. How do you enter his gates without music (thanksgibing) or his courts without praise? Have you forgotten that the best won battles in the Bible were all done with music? At the entering of the promise land stood Jericho and music from rams horns did the job? What about the young musician David? Have you ever wondered why he never lost a single battle his entire life? What about Singer Solomon that never fought a battle yet was the richest ever known king? When Israel fell before the tribe of Benjamin even when God instructed them to go for the battle How was it resolved? Judah shall go up first and what is Judah? Gospel musicians must really need to start studying the Bible for themselves to unleash their potentials.
    If music was so unimportant how come God used music (Psalms) to inform the world about Jesus? How come the only man called a man after God’s heart was a musician? How come in the Old testament only a musician is recorded to play and demons will leave? How come the prophets could not prophesy without music as we got to know in the case of is Saul also amongst the prophets and when Elisha could not prophesy till a minstrel was brought in?
    Elisha had a double potion of Elijah’s anointing yet the anointing could not be unlocked without music. The best description of Jesus were prophesied in music as in the Psalms and songs.
    Satan hates Christian music and will do anything to make the musicians so uncomfortable and unappreciated so they can go and sing in the clubs. Music was the highest office in heaven and Satan had that office. You really think he does not know the power and pecks that went with that office? How come worldly musicians have more effect on the world that our preachers? How many preachers affecting young people like byoncee world over? How many preachers are as quoted as fela in Nigeria or Michael Jackson or Bob Marley or even the Beatles?
    I read many of the comments and I see them talking about giving the musicians some crumbs to keep their bodies and souls together thereby making them have very low self esteem. Why don’t people say same about pastors? If the musicians are working for God and therefore they should be given crumbs or no pay at all who are our ‘maga’ rich pastors working for? Is keeping body and soul together the abundant life that church has been preaching lately? I mean. The prosperity messages.
    If you have been playing in church for a long time like my self you will know that when it comes to money most pastors turn serious liars. When It’s times to pay that’s when new revelations will be coming up just to not pay.
    Well so much to say.
    You may want to see my interview on my fight with Rev Chris Okotie over my unpaid wages.

  10. Ojuolape u are so ryt,as a gospel psalmist my church don’t pay me buh I believe dey appreciate all least wat covers d time dat my service is being needed in church,now looking at d size of d church especially a small church dat earns less with more expenses,dat can’t be d reason why a gospel musician won’t be appreciated cos atimes to me d music ministry is d highest in church,so d best attention should be there’s…even if d person doesn’t ask 4 money dat doesn’t mean u won’t appreciate him or her,so whether full time,part time,a free will musician should be given smtin to encourage him on d service rendered…tanx 4 dis topic priscilia..

  11. I will say my MIND HERE, Something’s happen in my own church which I dnt want to mention the name of my church which are, our been threated as if we are nothing or nobody. They value outsider than their own people. They will even invit people form outside and we will have reheasal all throughout the night not even telling us that we are not minstering just to get to the stage already singing and all you see next is a pastor touching you telling the vocalist or the praise leader that they invit someone that will lead the praise and worship, don’t we think somthing is (FISHING HERE), some “SET” of people making “BUSINESS HERE” the Pastor’s.
    Back to The musician’s the instrumenterlist fine we are stubborn agreed. But somthing lead to that if we are been cared for the rebellious. We have our mate out having their seculler Gig’s they do tell us how they are been car for and also been appriciated they even live fine than we do, something I dno’t get here, is it that Gosple musician’s are to be POOR or what? their are many church’s that can make their musician’s confortable but, they won’t and that is highly wiked. As for me I will not lie am planning of leaving the church for seculler Gig’s. Something is happing “HERE” that we “DON’T KNOW NOW” THE YOUHT ARE going out of the “CHURCH INTO THE WORD” where they are “ACCEPTED”. Even I my SELF had the plan’s of doing so many bad thing’s but @ the EDGED of doing it I will stop. SIR’s and MA’s so many thing’s are happing in the church that we see but nobody to talk to some even lead the instrumentalist to drinking and smoking womanaising etc….. About 9 instrumentalist in my church we all are first born’s fulltime musician’s some are father’s non staying with their family. House reant, nepa bill, younger once, family issue and your own personal issue and need’s. God help us chai!!!!!!!! That’s my mind…..

  12. I think the problem here is one based solely on materialism of “musicians/instrumentalists”. I am a worship leader in my local church and it is impossible for me to attend all the midweek services. I delegate when I can and everybody in the worship team knows that they are first of all MINISTERS!!!! The focus of christians today has been turned to money!!!

    I will say the truth the way it is. I have had all sorts of people come in the name of instrumentalist and all they’re looking for is the next gig. It’s all about money. I think it is totally out of place for musicians to become Money mongers.

    Yes, we all have needs, but shouldn’t our hands minister to our needs? If you are a good instrumentalist, you WILL make money!!!

    Instrumentalists/Musicians are not the same as performers. If I call Mike Abdul today, I don’t expect him to come and go just like that, same for a guest saxophonist or drummer, they are guests!

    Who in this world gets paid for cleaning their father’s house? Who gets paid for cooking for their mothers? who gets paid for taking care of their own parents?

    It is the same thing. You cannot claim to be a part of a local assembly and focus on money. It is wrong!!!

    There are situations in which the church would have to hire instrumentalists if they do not have. This is a different scenario and paying in this situation is totally justified because this is a job for that person, but you, Mr. Oga calling youself instrumentalist with no home church, are you a spiritual orphan?

    At the moment, we have an arrangement in my church where our keyboardist was loaned from another church. He did not have a compass for his life when he first came and all he was after was money, today, he is almost done with his degree, went to MUSON and is highly sought after. We NEVER paid him but the blessings he got from being with us can NOT be quantified.

    My own 2cents

  13. I think we just have to be careful about this issue. Both Pastors and Musicians alike. If a musician wants to be paid for performing in church, let him go ahead and demand payment from pastors who can afford it. In as much that I don’t support the church which neglects the needs of musician just like any other needy in the church, I strongly don’t feel a true child of God should REQUEST payment for a freely given grace. In so many capacities(not just in music), we have some grace which God deliberately bestowed on us to propagate the gospel, if everybody start looking for financial gratification then many churches will fold up. One Pastor works for free and another receives salary in the same church. Do u know the difference? The former earn his living elsewhere while the latter is an employee of the church or ministry. So, if any worker wants to be paid,honestly he is free to submit application for a job in the church and if his service is needed he will be employed and paid.Brethren, why do we focus on mundane things that will vanish like vapour. Rather than milking the church we should all bless the church where we are being watered. It will soon start(I think it has started)that bankers who help the church count offering will request for payment too. What gift do we have that has not been given? Chai, there is God o.

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